Sorry my Trump supporter friends, but he just lost my vote. I was just beginning to warm up to him, mostly because of his enemies' list, but the issue of allowing men to use women's facilities is totally unacceptable.

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Donald Trump says transgender people should be able to "use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate." On NBC's Today show Thursday morning, the GOP front-runner said he opposes North Carolina's "very strong" bathroom bill, which prohibits transgender residents from doing just that.

"North Carolina did something that was very strong and they're paying a big price. And there's a lot of problems." Trump said. "Leave it the way it is. North Carolina, what they're going through, with all of the business and all of the strife — and that's on both sides — you leave it the way it is. There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. There has been so little trouble. And the problem with what happened in North Carolina is the strife and the economic punishment they're taking."

Trump went on to say that he opposes the idea of creating a new, third bathroom specifically for transgender people because "that would be discriminatory, in a certain way," and because "it would be unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country."

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/d...ocid=spartanntp

The link contains a number of other Trump thoughts on other issues.

I agree this was a bad move that may come back and bite him in the rear.

However with that said.....there is no one else to vote for. Can't vote Cruz -- he is not eligible -- In fact he may not be a citizen at all period. There is that missing CRBA that he told a woman he didn't need and doesn't have one. You HAVE to have one when you are born overseas. Here is what the State Department says.

If he doesn't have one, his mother's citizenship was never transferred to him. And that is assuming his mom was still a U.S. citizen at his birth which is also in question since she is found on the Canadian voter rolls and you couldn't be found on those rolls at the time of Ted's birth unless you were a British or Canadian citizen by law. All of this is still in question because Cruz (like Obama) refuses to release any of his mother's records pertaining to her citizenship AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH. To vote for Ted is to for sure vote for a non-natural born citizen, and a possible non-citizen until he releases this CRBA and proves otherwise. Therefore can't do it. A vote for Ted is a vote against the Constitution. To me its treason.

Secondly, there is Kasich. At least he's eligible but like Cruz he supports TPP. That will be the destruction of American sovereignty. Ted co-authored that monstrosity along with Paul Ryan, then voted for it and even fast tracked it. A vote for either Cruz or Kasich is a vote for the destruction of the United States since they will support TPP and that will destroy our sovereignty. To me that is treason.

Who's left? Trump.

While I hate the bathroom issue and Trump's statement, the above issues are a higher priority for me as a Christian. Why? Romans 13:1-2:

"Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves."

In the U.S. our supreme authority is the Constitution. It is not the POTUS, Congress, or SCOTUS. All of those must submit to the Constitution (or are supposed to anyway) and must swear allegiance to it. You don't swear allegiance to a document unless it is the supreme law of the land. Consequently, the governing authority within the U.S. is that document and those who submit to it. When we vote as Christians we must be sure that we are voting for eligible candidates......if we knowingly vote for those who are not....we vote AGAINST that document since the qualifications are laid down in that document which is our supreme law or supreme authority within the U.S. If we knowingly vote for a non-eligible candidate thumbing our nose at God by resisting the authority He placed over us, then we incur God's judgment according to Romans. I'm not prepared to face that one just yet.

But I understand where you are coming from. Please excuse my poor attempts to explain where I'm coming from.

Sigh.

Some things that are not moral are legal. Some things that are legal are not moral. Not everything is about passing yet another law.

Should NC's law be everywhere, how exactly would you enforce it? Do we have a guard at the door so everyone can drop their pants or lift their skirt? Do we check in with our birth certificates? "Your papers, please."

Are we hiring bathroom police now? Maybe creating the BSA?

Maybe all public bathrooms should be labeled Male, Female, and Other. Or maybe we should eliminate "group" restrooms entirely and go to individual rooms with doors. Is that the government's call, even on private property?


Here's a thought, why not just shut down public restrooms entirely? Go at home.

Grandmothers of my age still accompany small ones to the restroom...little girls AND little boys. When my boys get a little older I still stand directly outside the bathroom with my arms folded tapping my foot, and I've been known to knock on the door and tell the kid to hurry up. I'm sure I am not the only one.

The truth is when a society becomes so laden with rot that people are unable to police themselves against bathroom pervs I think the party may well be over anyway.

Personally, I am not willing to die on the bathroom hill.

Bring back jobs. Close the border. Build me a wall, and build it TALL. These are the things that float my boat.

Oh you did quite well, Conservgramma, and offer some persuasive comments. The thing is there are 2 different issues I simply will not compromise on: this one and abortion. Support either and you will not receive my support.

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Oh you did quite well, Conservgramma, and offer some persuasive comments. The thing is there are 2 different issues I simply will not compromise on: this one and abortion. Support either and you will not receive my support.

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Here's my two cents about supporting Trump:

While I also understand your position and where you are coming from, I have come to the conclusion that if we do not secure our borders, and run trade and immigration for the benefit of the citizenry the values of one's candidate and one's own values will be irrelevant.

Those who hold traditional American values and ethics, Christians, observant Jews, patriots who believe in national sovereignty will have neither the financial nor demographic wherewithal to have any influence.

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On the other hand if we secure our borders, resolve the unfair trade practices, stop the transfer of our national sovereignty to foreign powers, and clean up the corruption, we may live to fight another day on the social issues dear to my heart. If we don't do those things first, the social issues are dead anyway you look at it.

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And I look at it in pretty much the opposite way. Our first duty is to align ourselves with Him even if it now looks hopeless. All else that is good will follow. (Matt 6:33)

I won't go into all the reasons why I think it is necessary we put the moral issues first, but I do think it is Biblical and thus sound. From the days when the Children of the Promise entered the Promised Land ("Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.") (Deut 31:6); on through to the period of the return when the prophets Haggai and Zechariah convinced the remnant to stand up to their enemies and rebuild the Temple. "(“I am with you,” declares the Lord.") (Haggai 1:13).

Now you may be shaking your heads and thinking, "This guy is a religious nut.", and maybe I am. But I sincerely believe that if we align ourselves with God's will as best we can, with no compromises, we will triumph. "If God is for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:31)

I don't think you are "a religious nut" at all, Cincy. I think you are very sincere and steadfast.

These are very dark times for our country. I hope we survive, but I fear the worst.

IMO we would all be wise to put our houses in order.

Here's two cents from a (not so) typical Trump supporter: (me)

I'm neither disappointed nor surprised by the latest Trumpism because I've been expecting it. The only question was and is - how many more will there be, and when will they happen? Perhaps because I HAVE been expecting it, I was not particularly shaken when it happened.

This has been and probably will be the strangest election in our recent, if not entire, history. Any pundit - amateur or professional - who opines on it or thinks they know how it will come out is just blowing smoke. No one - a year or even six months ago - could have predicted where we are now. And the election is still almost 7 months away.

That said, however, it is looking like the ticket for the democrat branch of the Ruling Party will be headed by well-known criminal and Marxist Ms. Hil-liar-y Rodham Xlinton. As awful and un-qualified for even the job of school librarian as she is, she will likely stand a better than even money chance of being the next POTUS.

Let's face it - there are roughly 40 - 45 percent of the voters (perhaps even higher) that would vote for a dead dog if it had the magical D after its name. And while one could argue that a dead dog might have more charisma than Hil-liar-y, she'll still manage to get their vote. And likely more.

The only way to traditionally stop Xlinton would have been with an opposition party - sadly, we don't have one. The R's are showing themselves for what they have been for some time - establishment CAREER politicians who are happy to take whatever crumbs the party of Government (i.e. the Ds) gives them. They are the 21 century version of Stepin' Fetchit (yes'm massah)

So yes, I'll support Trump and vote for him if he's on my state ballot. But I have no illusions that much if anything will change. All that's going to happen is we're going to have a very long, bumpy and sometimes entertaining ride to November

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Rufus wrote: "The only way to traditionally stop Xlinton would have been with an opposition party - sadly, we don't have one. The R's are showing themselves for what they have been for some time - establishment CAREER politicians who are happy to take whatever crumbs the party of Government (i.e. the Ds) gives them. They are the 21 century version of Stepin' Fetchit (yes'm massah)

So yes, I'll support Trump and vote for him if he's on my state ballot. But I have no illusions that much if anything will change. All that's going to happen is we're going to have a very long, bumpy and sometimes entertaining ride to November"

I agree. We are walking down a risky road with Donald. He says he's not a politician, that he's a conservative, that he won't say one thing and do another. He is a credible person who makes promises and I want to believe him. I'm a strong Trump supporter in fact. My alternative is a known liar, Hillary and that's a cesspool of future for America.

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I used to like to watch Trump at his rallys. Now not so much. I am disappointed.

I would like to ask everyone a couple of questions in all seriousness.

1. How would you enforce such a law? Please be as specific as possible.

2. Should a "transgender" (IMO, a cross-dresser with mental health issues) choose to ignore any enforcement procedures and just walk into, and use, the opposite bathroom, what should happen to him/her?

I'm of the opinion that maybe our society has devolved to the point where we should not have community restrooms, at least not as currently set up. Go at home or only frequent facilities that have private stalls. Pretty soon maybe they all will, since it seems to be such a necessity all of a sudden.

Too many sue-happy SJWs with agendas and possibly too many pervs, although the jury is out on that. Is this REALLY that big of a problem?? I'm in California, but I must be really sheltered. This has never affected me in 60 years, nor anyone else I know. I have to wonder, up until now, where HAVE all the Drag Queens been going to the bathroom?

I do think that is the essence of what Donald was saying...do we really need a LAW on this matter? Why not just handle it the way we have the last 100 years? Meaning, in a civil society Moms (and Dads) should accompany their small kids to the bathrooms. What the heck would they be doing in there alone anyway? That is the essence of lazy parenting, expecting Big Daddy Government to watch your kid for you.

And if anyone is caught performing any funny business, report them, as I am sure it must be a crime with laws already on the books against it.

In short, can't this be issue be corrected through "the market" or do we actually need another law? How many more laws will need to passed as society deteriorates around us before we all have just had enough?

In short, can't this be issue be corrected through "the market" or do we actually need another law? How many more laws will need to passed as society deteriorates around us before we all have just had enough?

TK, perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying but this issue does not involve any new laws. In fact, quite the opposite, we are talking about the nullification of existing laws. As a result if a male uses a rest room assigned to women there is nothing you can do and this is moot:

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1. How would you enforce such a law? Please be as specific as possible.

2. Should a "transgender" (IMO, a cross-dresser with mental health issues) choose to ignore any enforcement procedures and just walk into, and use, the opposite bathroom, what should happen to him/her?

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P.S. " I'm in California". My condolences. I thought you were headed to ID. What happened?