#1 Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by ThirstyMan 15.12.2014 19:05

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The reality of socialized medicine is the same wherever you go. Limited everything. You can't offer it all for free and then still have an abundance of supply. From Dr's to supplies the situation in Venezuela is bleak and with the downturn in oil prices Venezuela will be ripe for a capitalist revolution... just kidding. Once the people are conditioned to be 'on the dole' they don't come back. TM
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Monday December 15, 2014

Figures from health associations show that as many as 14,700 physicians have left Venezuela seeking new horizons.

Citizens attending any hospital in Venezuela may come across signs listing medical specialties lacking staff. This prevents medical care from being provided and violates the right to health set forth in the Constitution.

Shortage of staff is attributed to the gargantuan flight of professionals in the health sector.

Intensive care, neonatology, pediatrics, anesthesiology, endocrinology, and hand surgery are just some of the specialties left without professionals in both the public and private sectors.

Figures from health associations show that as many as 14,700 physicians have left the country seeking new horizons.

Insecurity at medical facilities, lack of medical supplies, low wages, poor offer of postgraduate studies, and the privilege given by the government to health program Misión Barrio Adentro medical care in low-income areas are some of the driving forces behind the flight of professionals.

http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-po...edical-speciali

#2 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by Rufus T Firefly 15.12.2014 19:39

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Pick your poison:

(Crony) Capitalism
Socialism
Communism

Whatever political philosophy a given country has, isn't it reassuring to know that in each one there IS small, elite ruling class? And that said ruling class doesn't have to endure such mundane things as Doctor shortages and "death panels"?

But never fear. Elect another Bush and all will be well.

(I heard it on "The Five" so it must be true)

#3 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by ThirstyMan 15.12.2014 20:18

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Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #2
Pick your poison:

(Crony) Capitalism
Socialism
Communism

Whatever political philosophy a given country has, isn't it reassuring to know that in each one there IS small, elite ruling class? And that said ruling class doesn't have to endure such mundane things as Doctor shortages and "death panels"?

But never fear. Elect another Bush and all will be well.

(I heard it on "The Five" so it must be true)





Well some may pine for the Bush years, not me, and don't worry Rufus, I know you were Just Kidding!!! The Bush years gave birth to the Obama wrecking ball. Now to go back to the same ol shite would be like the Einstein definition of insanity.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes...aom9xRLzDdAS.99

#4 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by FWP 15.12.2014 20:33

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #3
Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #2
Pick your poison:

(Crony) Capitalism
Socialism
Communism

Whatever political philosophy a given country has, isn't it reassuring to know that in each one there IS small, elite ruling class? And that said ruling class doesn't have to endure such mundane things as Doctor shortages and "death panels"?

But never fear. Elect another Bush and all will be well.

(I heard it on "The Five" so it must be true)





Well some may pine for the Bush years, not me, and don't worry Rufus, I know you were Just Kidding!!! The Bush years gave birth to the Obama wrecking ball. Now to go back to the same ol shite would be like the Einstein definition of insanity.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes...aom9xRLzDdAS.99



From what I understand even the most ardent W supporters have abandoned that shipwreck of a presidency!! lol

It seems that the Bushies have found themselves a beach head at FNC, basically rendering most shows their unwatchable at this point.

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#5 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by Sanguine 15.12.2014 20:40

Yes, they have. Just turned Karl Rove off. Why do they still have him on?

#6 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by Sanguine 15.12.2014 20:46

Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #2
Pick your poison:

(Crony) Capitalism
Socialism
Communism

Whatever political philosophy a given country has, isn't it reassuring to know that in each one there IS small, elite ruling class? And that said ruling class doesn't have to endure such mundane things as Doctor shortages and "death panels"?

But never fear. Elect another Bush and all will be well.

(I heard it on "The Five" so it must be true)





I don't think crony capitalism is an accurate term. I think it may be more along the lines of Iron law of oligarchy.

#7 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by ThirstyMan 15.12.2014 21:12

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #6
Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #2
Pick your poison:

(Crony) Capitalism
Socialism
Communism

Whatever political philosophy a given country has, isn't it reassuring to know that in each one there IS small, elite ruling class? And that said ruling class doesn't have to endure such mundane things as Doctor shortages and "death panels"?

But never fear. Elect another Bush and all will be well.

(I heard it on "The Five" so it must be true)





I don't think crony capitalism is an accurate term. I think it may be more along the lines of Iron law of oligarchy.



We're being beset by growing bureaucracy in every area: medicine, healthcare, business, education.

Seriously!!! Compliance with healthcare and education are two areas where increased government regulation is adding hours to each and every worker's day! The additional regs require more sophisticated software and support people [not doing real work] hired to train for compliance and train the workforce.

This has been a rapid and recent [last seven years] infiltration of all of these formerly productive job source areas, with new administrators, people who are needed for these increased government regulations. Filling out government forms that evidence company compliance now requires entire departments with staff people who add nothing to the efficiency of any operation. And this is getting worse!!!

Every time you hear some windbag like Eric Holder talk about programs for racial sensitivity being needed for police departments, you are hearing about the intent to add another layer of bureaucracy to burden its operation.

#8 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by Sanguine 15.12.2014 21:28

Exactly, TM.

And, from that Wikipedia article (Wikipedia says it so it must be true):

"Michels stressed several factors that underlie the Iron Law of Oligarchy. Darcy K. Leach summarized them briefly as: "Bureaucracy happens. If bureaucracy happens, power rises. Power corrupts."[3] Any large organization, Michels pointed out, has to create a bureaucracy in order to maintain its efficiency as it becomes larger—many decisions have to be made daily that cannot be made by large numbers of disorganized people. For the organization to function effectively, centralization has to occur and power will end up in the hands of a few. Those few—the oligarchy—will use all means necessary to preserve and further increase their power."

#9 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by ThirstyMan 16.12.2014 04:29

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We drift slightly off topic regarding Venezuelan's plight, but when these "do-gooders" attempt to establish new policy, top-down, not only is it offensive, it necessarily increases the bureaucracy. The cost of operating any system increases dramatically when you create more rules that must be enforced. The top-down world of the "do-gooders", originating senseless, mandatory policy at the highest levels, is wreaking havoc wherever it goes.....AND it is going everywhere!
"The Minnesota State High School League, which controls policy for all extracurricular activities in all schools, public and private, voted 18 to 1 to outlaw recognition of all sex differences in high-school sports. The new policy, adopted Dec. 4, allows students the choice to play on either boys' or girls' teams if they claim transgender status.
Obviously, the school didn't clear this radical new policy with parents. A group of parents opposed to this agenda ran an ad in the Minneapolis Star Tribune stating "A male wants to shower beside your 14-year-old daughter. Are you okay with that?"
http://townhall.com/columnists/phyllissc...medium=facebook

#10 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by algernonpj 16.12.2014 12:27

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It seems Robert Michels 'Iron Law' applies to a democracy not a constitutional republic, such as our country was founded to be.

The constitution was designed to split power every which way; three levels = Federal, State, Local,Three branches - Legislative, Executive, and Judicial.The federal/central government was supposed to have only powers 'enumerated' to it. All other powers were to reside much more local to the citizen in the city and the state and the citizen themselves. Somewhere along the way that power distribution was reversed in the name of majority rule / democracy.

Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

#11 RE: Flight of doctors leaves Venezuelan hospitals without medical specialists by Sanguine 16.12.2014 13:56

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #10
It seems Robert Michels 'Iron Law' applies to a democracy not a constitutional republic, such as our country was founded to be.

The constitution was designed to split power every which way; three levels = Federal, State, Local,Three branches - Legislative, Executive, and Judicial.The federal/central government was supposed to have only powers 'enumerated' to it. All other powers were to reside much more local to the citizen in the city and the state and the citizen themselves. Somewhere along the way that power distribution was reversed in the name of majority rule / democracy.

Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx


Correct, and that may be why the left is so insistent that we are a democracy.

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