#1 Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by FWP 04.12.2014 17:19

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Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama

By Paul Bedard | December 4, 2014 | 12:03 pm





The building national movement for a constitutional convention to block President Obama’s executive orders got a huge boost Thursday when leading advocate Mark Levin urged state lawmakers to throttle all of Washington, including Republicans.

“Take your power back,” he demanded of the hundreds of lawmakers attending the American Legislative Exchange Council convention on Capitol Hill. “You are the last line of defense of liberty.”

Levin got star billing because a focus of the winter meeting of the limited government group is pushing for a convention of states, a project of the Citizens for Self-Governance, who sponsored the top talk show host who recently wrote a book laying out constitutional amendments the nation should consider.

He described a nation that is morphing into a “post-constitutional” crisis where state legislatures are “irrelevant,” and the president and Congress do whatever they want, and nobody in Washington provides checks and balances.

“We have a president of the United States who says, ‘Hey, Congress won’t act. I will.’ Excuse me? Well what’s that? Sounds like a runaway convention to me,” he said.

Ditto for Republicans. “Throw out the establishment Republicans and others who are stopping you from doing what you need to do,” Levin urged.

To applause, he pushed legislators to consider a convention of 2,000-3,000 delegates to review procedures for hosting a constitutional convention as a warning shot to Congress and the White House. “That alone would shake up this city,” he said.

While Levin and convention proponents have support, some at the ALEC event said it was too radical a move, and a few cited criticisms that a conservative-led convention would go too far.

Levin rejected the concerns about a “runaway convention,” noting that the Constitution requires many states to approve any action, making it unlikely that a radical idea would get through.

He dismissed critics, and added that proponents are simply trying to save the Constitution.

“Ignore these idiots,” he said of critics, adding about his backers, “we’re not some cult over here. We’re the majority.”

Paul Bedard, the Washington Examiner's "Washington Secrets" columnist, can be contacted at pbedard@washingtonexaminer.com.

Bedard also has a viewable CoS Handbook at the link above, or try CoS Handbook for Citizens and Legislators PDF Download.

#2 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by FWP 04.12.2014 17:24

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Mark Levin: State Legislatures Have ‘Duty’ to ‘Restore Our Republic’

December 4, 2014 - 1:11 PM
By Ali Meyer


(CNSNews.com) - Constitutional expert and nationally syndicated talk show host Mark Levin said that state legislatures have a duty to “restore our republic and give us our Constitution back,” at the American Legislative Exchange Council’s (ALEC) National Policy Summit at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Washington, D.C., on Thursday.

Levin’s remarks focused on how Article V of the Constitution, which gives state legislatures the power to act as a final check on the abuse of power in Washington, is the way to reclaim self-governance.

“Wide-ranging decisions affecting virtually every aspect of life are being made by fewer and fewer masterminds in Washington, D.C., in an increasingly centralized federal government using a growing army of bureaucrats, a fourth branch of government if you will, to institute and enforce them,” Levin said.

“More and more what the federal government does is insulate it from elections. If elections are one that advance the left’s agenda, then they’ll celebrate. If they lose the elections, elections are denounced as temporary inconveniences, and then they turn to the unelected federal institutions to advance their agenda,” he said.

“In other words, the trajectory towards utopian statism, concentrated power, centralized government is never really checked or actually reversed, and the reason is, and the sad truth is, that we live largely under the post-constitutional government,” Levin said. “This is no longer a federal republic, or a constitutional republic, or a representative republic. The federal constitutional representative character of the national government has been and are being expanded. We are mutating into something else.


(rest of article and 5 minute video of a portion of Mark's address are at the link above)

#3 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by FWP 04.12.2014 17:48

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Video of full speech from this morning:

#4 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by Rufus T Firefly 06.12.2014 09:40

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I've been following Mark Levin's promotion of the "Article V" solution to the present anarchy and chaos in our fedgov ever since his book "The Liberty Amendments" came out. While I applaud his passion for our country, I just have one fundamental comment and question:

The comment: We can all agree that we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic. It's been bastardized and corrupted beyond recognition. Congress is irrelevant (unless someone the media hates is in the WH). Currently we live in a monarchy ruled by Zero the First. Elections (that go against the statists) are irrelevant. The is no effective opposition party - only the Jeb Bushes, Mitch McConnells and John Boehners - interested only in having their own cushy jobs, money and power.

So again and to repeat for emphasis - there IS no Constitution.

Now the question: Since the ruling class DOES NOT adhere to the Constitution, what makes anyone think that this IS a solution? Simply put - is it reasonable or logical to argue that the same ruling class who ignores everything in the Constitution (unless it can use it to its advantage) is going to all of a sudden follow this?

As much as I'd like for there to be a peaceful outcome to the present anarchy, I don't see it happening.

Tyrants don't give up that easily.

#5 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by FWP 06.12.2014 11:18

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I understand your questions about that aspect RTF. If you read all of the proposed (potential) Liberty Amendments, you see that he has crafted a set of them that would actually take back the power that fedgov has slowly usurped from the several States over time. (In the full video in the post above, he sort of explains some of this, but not completely and clearly, as well.)

The general idea as I understand it, when fedgov continues to operate outside the bounds of the Constitution, the several States can band together (via these Amendments) to reign them in (by in some cases just over ruling their decrees (be they from the Executive, Judicial, Legislature, or almost most importantly at this point, the 4th branch of bureaucracies).

Some of these Amendments would take time to bear fruit, e.g., term limits for Congress and SC justices, the repeal of the 17th. The term limits would obviously have the effect of dissuading some of the power hungry that run for these offices looking for a lifetime ride on the gravy train of power & dollars, and the current set of "lifers" would be turned out over time. Obviously it will also take some time for the States to begin to install the right type of Senators (I am sure in the beginning some of the same tripe will be sent in/back, but over time, once the States get the "hang of" the desirability of sending men and women that will actually represent their interests, the breed should improve).

But some of the Amendments that permit the several States (3/5 in most cases) to band together to have immediate effect: rolling back bureaucratic rule-making, over turn SC decisions, and so forth.

So you see, even if fedgov continues to operate outside the bounds of the Constitution for a time (theoretically until we get more of the "right" people in there, and remove the "wrong" people), the States will be able to exert their collective control over them. If you listen to Mark he makes the point at times (but perhaps not enough) that these proposed Amendments aren't picked out willy nilly from thin air, they are actually a set of constructs that are designed to effect structural changes that bring fedgov back in line as was envisioned by the Founders. He did this by taking what he gleaned from years of study of the Founders notes, diaries, and other writings, the recorded minutes and notes from the ratifying conventions of the several States, to actual attempt to discern original intent (to use that phrase) of the Founders, and draft Amendments that would be needed today (and tomorrow) to gradually re-institute the structural reforms to bring fedgov back into submission of We The People and the several States.

Think about it like this, originally the power construct was to be We The People sitting on top with the most power, followed closely by the several States, with fedgov as the weakest and most limited. As you have seen, over time, that pyramid has been turned upside down and the States and WtP are being crushed to death by the fedgov leviathan.

Hope this helps in some way, good to see you here Rufus!!

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#6 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by FWP 06.12.2014 11:25

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#7 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by conservgramma 06.12.2014 12:10

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Rufus certainly does bring some good points. But as I mentioned in other posts, I see an Article V convention as a last ditch effort or 'Hail Mary' as FW mentioned before launching into all out revolution.

Right now there are many low infos out there who sometimes lean conservative (I have some family members in this group). But because they don't do their own political research and rely on the lame stream propaganda media for their information, they don't yet see how many freedoms they've lost and certainly would not be on board with a revolution. They don't yet realize how bad things really are, even though they dislike Bambi.

If this convention were to go forward with amendments even they would agree with, and the states were to ratify them, and then our corrupt overlords in D.C. React as Rufus believes they might, the truth would then be on full display where even the propaganda media couldn't fully cover it up anymore than they could the fiasco of Obamacare.

This could be the catalyst we would need to get more if the country to wake up. We would need much of the military and the police force on the side of the Constitution to have much success with an actual revolution. Interesting times indeed.

#8 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by conservgramma 06.12.2014 12:11

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Whoops, sorry about the double post.

#9 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by algernonpj 06.12.2014 13:10

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Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #4
I've been following Mark Levin's promotion of the "Article V" solution to the present anarchy and chaos in our fedgov ever since his book "The Liberty Amendments" came out. While I applaud his passion for our country, I just have one fundamental comment and question:

The comment: We can all agree that we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic. It's been bastardized and corrupted beyond recognition. Congress is irrelevant (unless someone the media hates is in the WH). Currently we live in a monarchy ruled by Zero the First. Elections (that go against the statists) are irrelevant. The is no effective opposition party - only the Jeb Bushes, Mitch McConnells and John Boehners - interested only in having their own cushy jobs, money and power.

So again and to repeat for emphasis - there IS no Constitution.

Now the question: Since the ruling class DOES NOT adhere to the Constitution, what makes anyone think that this IS a solution? Simply put - is it reasonable or logical to argue that the same ruling class who ignores everything in the Constitution (unless it can use it to its advantage) is going to all of a sudden follow this?

As much as I'd like for there to be a peaceful outcome to the present anarchy, I don't see it happening.

Tyrants don't give up that easily
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Thank you for writing up my reaction so eloquently.

IMHO There is absolutely no reason to come to the conclusion that suddenly the political elite will abide by the constitution or rule of law.

I have been reading the material FWP linked to
Constitutional Convention Gathers Some Steam (3)
There is some excellent research out there, however IMHO this FAQ item is extraordinarily naive.

Zitat
If the Federal Government Ignores the Current Constitution, Why Would They
Adhere to an Amended Constitution?

When the Founders wrote the Constitution, they did not anticipate modern day politicians who take advantage of loopholes and vague phraseology. Even though the federal violation of the Constitution is obvious to all reasonable Americans, Washington pretends otherwise, claiming the Constitution contains broad and flexible language. Amendments at a convention of states will be written with such politicians in mind. The language they use for these amendments will be unequivocal. There will be no doubt as to their meaning, no possibility of alternate
interpretations, and no way for them to be broken.

In addition to this, it should be noted that the federal government has not violated the
amendments passed in recent years. Women’s suffrage, for example, has been 100% upheld


We are along way from the world of the 1920's. Both individual and states' rights have been virtually abolished since then. Those who benefit from the current situation will respond like cornered predators.

#10 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by algernonpj 06.12.2014 13:12

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #8
Whoops, sorry about the double post.

Sent it down the memory hole

#11 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by conservgramma 06.12.2014 15:18

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Thanks!

#12 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by Rufus T Firefly 07.12.2014 07:40

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Quote: FWP wrote in post #5
I understand your questions about that aspect RTF. If you read all of the proposed (potential) Liberty Amendments, you see that he has crafted a set of them that would actually take back the power that fedgov has slowly usurped from the several States over time. (In the full video in the post above, he sort of explains some of this, but not completely and clearly, as well.)

The general idea as I understand it, when fedgov continues to operate outside the bounds of the Constitution, the several States can band together (via these Amendments) to reign them in (by in some cases just over ruling their decrees (be they from the Executive, Judicial, Legislature, or almost most importantly at this point, the 4th branch of bureaucracies).

Some of these Amendments would take time to bear fruit, e.g., term limits for Congress and SC justices, the repeal of the 17th. The term limits would obviously have the effect of dissuading some of the power hungry that run for these offices looking for a lifetime ride on the gravy train of power & dollars, and the current set of "lifers" would be turned out over time. Obviously it will also take some time for the States to begin to install the right type of Senators (I am sure in the beginning some of the same tripe will be sent in/back, but over time, once the States get the "hang of" the desirability of sending men and women that will actually represent their interests, the breed should improve).

But some of the Amendments that permit the several States (3/5 in most cases) to band together to have immediate effect: rolling back bureaucratic rule-making, over turn SC decisions, and so forth.

So you see, even if fedgov continues to operate outside the bounds of the Constitution for a time (theoretically until we get more of the "right" people in there, and remove the "wrong" people), the States will be able to exert their collective control over them. If you listen to Mark he makes the point at times (but perhaps not enough) that these proposed Amendments aren't picked out willy nilly from thin air, they are actually a set of constructs that are designed to effect structural changes that bring fedgov back in line as was envisioned by the Founders. He did this by taking what he gleaned from years of study of the Founders notes, diaries, and other writings, the recorded minutes and notes from the ratifying conventions of the several States, to actual attempt to discern original intent (to use that phrase) of the Founders, and draft Amendments that would be needed today (and tomorrow) to gradually re-institute the structural reforms to bring fedgov back into submission of We The People and the several States.

Think about it like this, originally the power construct was to be We The People sitting on top with the most power, followed closely by the several States, with fedgov as the weakest and most limited. As you have seen, over time, that pyramid has been turned upside down and the States and WtP are being crushed to death by the fedgov leviathan.

Hope this helps in some way, good to see you here Rufus!!

F

Like I said, I appreciate Mark Levin and his hard work and research in proposing a PEACEFUL resolution to the current lawlessness in DC. I hope and pray that it becomes a blueprint for restoration.

My reservations, however, go back to something pretty basic. Something that one of the Founders (John Adams, I think) wrote: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

I agree with Mr. Adam's observations - and I think we're dealing with a ruling class that will bring the country completely down before voluntarily giving up any power.

#13 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by Rufus T Firefly 07.12.2014 08:00

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Zitat
If this convention were to go forward with amendments even they would agree with, and the states were to ratify them, and then our corrupt overlords in D.C. React as Rufus believes they might, the truth would then be on full display where even the propaganda media couldn't fully cover it up anymore than they could the fiasco of Obamacare.

This could be the catalyst we would need to get more if the country to wake up. We would need much of the military and the police force on the side of the Constitution to have much success with an actual revolution. Interesting times indeed.



Your post made me think of something. A good number of low information voters (LIVs) make up the millennium generation. Now my daughter (age 28) and most of the people I work with happen to be millennials. While I don't tend to get into political discussions per se wth them, I do pick up little snippets here and there. And what I hear is discouraging.

Co-workers will play the part of being non-partisan (both parties suck) - but then when they cite examples it's always "Sarah Palin is "stupid" or "the tea party is a threat." It's never anything like "Nancy Pelosi is stupid" or "Harry Reid and Obama is a threat". My 28 year old daughter is as apolitical as they come - yet on her Facebook page I saw something she posted. A cousin had invited her to move to Texas - she responded back "I'd never move there because Ted Cruz is there and he's an a-hole"

My point is the upcoming generation is the product of years and years of indoctrination (passing as education) in the schools and in the media. They're worse than low information - they are deliberate MIS-information.

And until they fell the PAIN of this - any solutions they go with are going to be the wrong solutions

#14 RE: Mark Levin urges states to 'take back your power' from 'runaway' Obama by algernonpj 07.12.2014 12:41

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Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #13

Zitat
If this convention were to go forward with amendments even they would agree with, and the states were to ratify them, and then our corrupt overlords in D.C. React as Rufus believes they might, the truth would then be on full display where even the propaganda media couldn't fully cover it up anymore than they could the fiasco of Obamacare.

This could be the catalyst we would need to get more if the country to wake up. We would need much of the military and the police force on the side of the Constitution to have much success with an actual revolution. Interesting times indeed.


Your post made me think of something. A good number of low information voters (LIVs) make up the millennium generation. Now my daughter (age 28) and most of the people I work with happen to be millennials. While I don't tend to get into political discussions per se wth them, I do pick up little snippets here and there. And what I hear is discouraging.

Co-workers will play the part of being non-partisan (both parties suck) - but then when they cite examples it's always "Sarah Palin is "stupid" or "the tea party is a threat." It's never anything like "Nancy Pelosi is stupid" or "Harry Reid and Obama is a threat". My 28 year old daughter is as apolitical as they come - yet on her Facebook page I saw something she posted. A cousin had invited her to move to Texas - she responded back "I'd never move there because Ted Cruz is there and he's an a-hole"

My point is the upcoming generation is the product of years and years of indoctrination (passing as education) in the schools and in the media. They're worse than low information - they are deliberate MIS-information.

And until they fell the PAIN of this - any solutions they go with are going to be the wrong solutions[


In addition to the native born who have been indoctrinated, the country is being flooded with aliens, legal and illegal, from countries with no history of freedom and no concept of natural law - the idea that as humans we are endowed by our creator with god given rights, not rights parceled out by who ever is the latest power in big government.

Nor do they come from countries where:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Unlike a point of time in the past, these aliens are not required to adapt to our traditional language, culture, and ethics. Now we are required to tolerate and celebrate theirs.

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