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#31 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by ThirstyMan 24.03.2016 17:58

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #30
Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #29
That Ted Cruz did not issue an apology immediately tarnishes him. His side promoted the 16 yo pics of Trump's wife.

Cruz actually went on the attack without apologizing for starting this mess. It hurts BOTH candidates as it lowers them both to the gutter.

But I agree, that Cruz should have called a halt to the entire line of attack. it was in poor taste. Leave that for the Dems.

I'm reminded, don't mud wrestle with a pig. the pig will win and he enjoys the mud.




No, sir, "his side" did not. If you google Mair and listen to her, it's obvious which side she's on. Or, not, as is the case.


You tell me. What does googling Mair tell me?

#32 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by truthkeeper 24.03.2016 18:04

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Without reproducing the photo here, the ad ITSELF says "or you could vote for Ted Cruz." Therefore Cruz received a benefit from the ad.

#33 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by ThirstyMan 24.03.2016 18:37

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Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #32
Without reproducing the photo here, the ad ITSELF says "or you could vote for Ted Cruz." Therefore Cruz received a benefit from the ad.


"Failed political consultant Liz Mair is crowd funding a political attack on billionaire presidential candidate Donald Trump and she’s getting noticed."


We know that Donald Trump is not funding her and Ted Cruz is benefiting from her efforts.

That does not preclude a Cruz apology, disavowing the ad. We wait in vain.

#34 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by Cincinnatus 24.03.2016 18:45

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It just gets better and better for everyone involved.

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The war of words between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz heated up Thursday as Cruz called Trump a “sniveling coward” after the billionaire tweeted an attack on the Texas senator’s wife.

“I don’t get angry often, but you mess with my wife,you mess with my kids, that’ll do it everytime.” Cruz said at a Wisconsin factory. “Donald, you’re a sniveling coward, leave Heidi the hell alone.”

The fiery reaction from Cruz comes after Trump retweeted an image late Wednesday from a supporter which contrasted a picture of Trump’s wife Melania alongside an unflattering image of Cruz’s wife Heidi, with the caption “a picture is worth a thousand words.”



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/...wife-tweet.html

#35 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by ThirstyMan 24.03.2016 19:24

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Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #34
It just gets better and better for everyone involved.


Should be "worse and worse".

Perhaps Cruz thinks if he pulls Trump into the mud people will get sick of his "NY style". It may work but will it benefit him?

Cruz just vowed he'll win the brokered convention fight one way or another. Somebody has been lying to Ted in secret.

Scott Walker just come out with a prediction, indicating Ted Cruz is wrong.
They've convinced Ted that they, the establishment, want him. They don't!!! They at this point only want "Not-Trump"

but that doesn't mean they Want Ted.

Today's Politico Headline:
Scott Walker: Open convention likely to pick 'someone who’s not currently running'
By NOLAN D. MCCASKILL 03/24/16

None of the remaining Republican presidential candidates is likely to emerge as the nominee from a contested convention in July, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said Thursday.
While Donald Trump has a 274-delegate lead over Ted Cruz in his pursuit to 1,237, the Republican front-runner still needs to win nearly 500 more delegates to secure a majority and the nomination outright. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who has only won a single state thus far and has just 143 delegates, has maintained no one will head to Cleveland with 1,237, which would free delegates in most states to vote for any eligible candidate after the first ballot is cast.
“I think if it’s an open convention, it’s very likely [the nominee] would be someone who’s not currently running,” Walker said Thursday, according to Madison.com.
Speaking to reporters after signing a bill, the former presidential candidate, who dropped out in September, cautioned that many prognostications for this election cycle have been wrong.
“I mean, who knows. The one thing I qualify — it’s like the qualifications you see on those ads you see for car dealerships,” Walker said. “I think any of us who comments on this election [has] to qualify that almost every prediction’s been off, so it’s hard to predict anything.”

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-p...3#ixzz43ri4g4T7
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Rule 40(b) comes into play. That has to be dismissed. No problem. After that ALL BETS ARE OFF.

GOP-e is planning to give the voters the finger and Ted Cruz will turn out to have been a useful pawn. They've always hated him anyway for as a first term senator having the chutzpah to "shut down the government" This will show him he didn't get away with disrespecting his fellow Senators. TM

#36 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by Sanguine 24.03.2016 20:41

Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #33
Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #32
Without reproducing the photo here, the ad ITSELF says "or you could vote for Ted Cruz." Therefore Cruz received a benefit from the ad.


"Failed political consultant Liz Mair is crowd funding a political attack on billionaire presidential candidate Donald Trump and she’s getting noticed."


We know that Donald Trump is not funding her and Ted Cruz is benefiting from her efforts.

That does not preclude a Cruz apology, disavowing the ad. We wait in vain.


Come on, TM, I know you value truth. Cruz is benefiting from Rubio dropping out - should he apologize for that? That's just silly.

Answering an earlier question - Mair doesn't like Cruz either. Just less so than Trump.

#37 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by algernonpj 24.03.2016 21:14

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #25

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Something to keep in mind is that Super PAC's are a great way for politicians to play dirty tricks while keeping their hands clean


Algernon, you're implying that Cruz may have been responsible for the ad and committed an illegal act. Is that really what you're saying? You seem to be saying you're not, but then you repeat it.

Oh, and while we're talking about people condemning bad acts, what about that tweet comparing Melania to Heidi Cruz and making fun of Cruz? Oh, wait, Trump himself did that one. Makes it hard for him to condemn it.


One thing at a time:
o1. I'm stating that the fact that Cruz " may have been responsible for the ad and committed an illegal act" is a possibility that ought to be considered when evaluating what happened in the 'nude Melania pic affair'..
Cruz's duplicitous behaviour regarding TPA indicates he certainly is not above underhanded politics. [links available upon request.]

02. Re:"Oh, and while we're talking about people condemning bad acts, what about that tweet comparing Melania to Heidi Cruz and making fun of Cruz? Oh, wait, Trump himself did that one. Makes it hard for him to condemn it. "
What does this have to do with your comment I addressed in 01.

For everyone's information:
the second posting of the sentence about super PAC's and clean hands was a typo resulting from haste and poor proof reading. However it bring about an interesting response.

#38 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by algernonpj 24.03.2016 21:21

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Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #26
IMO Cruz needs to disavow the ad, PERIOD.

It was a nasty business from which he did benefit whether he had knowledge or not. Therefore it would behoove him to issue a disavowal since people are currently real big on that, at least when it comes to Trump.

He did apologize for over-zealous staffers in the Carson matter.

So why not one strong statement now, which could possibly put the whole thing to bed?

Of course as both Carson and Trump noted the apology was a day late and who knows how many votes short. Look at the timing of various tweets in the link I posted

#39 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by Sanguine 24.03.2016 22:51

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #38
Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #26
IMO Cruz needs to disavow the ad, PERIOD.

It was a nasty business from which he did benefit whether he had knowledge or not. Therefore it would behoove him to issue a disavowal since people are currently real big on that, at least when it comes to Trump.

He did apologize for over-zealous staffers in the Carson matter.

So why not one strong statement now, which could possibly put the whole thing to bed?

Of course as both Carson and Trump noted the apology was a day late and who knows how many votes short. Look at the timing of various tweets in the link I posted



And, what exactly would Cruz be apologizing for in this case? That an anti-Trumpster, who doesn't like Cruz either, wanted people to vote for Cruz over Trump and ran a disgusting ad? What part of that is Cruz apologizing for? Running against the Donald?

#40 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by Sanguine 24.03.2016 22:54

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #37
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #25

Zitat
Something to keep in mind is that Super PAC's are a great way for politicians to play dirty tricks while keeping their hands clean


Algernon, you're implying that Cruz may have been responsible for the ad and committed an illegal act. Is that really what you're saying? You seem to be saying you're not, but then you repeat it.

Oh, and while we're talking about people condemning bad acts, what about that tweet comparing Melania to Heidi Cruz and making fun of Cruz? Oh, wait, Trump himself did that one. Makes it hard for him to condemn it.

One thing at a time:
o1. I'm stating that the fact that Cruz " may have been responsible for the ad and committed an illegal act" is a possibility that ought to be considered when evaluating what happened in the 'nude Melania pic affair'..
Cruz's duplicitous behaviour regarding TPA indicates he certainly is not above underhanded politics. [links available upon request.]
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That's a real problem. You have no evidence, only the fact that you don't like the guy because he's running against your guy, and you accuse him of illegal and unethical behavior based on nothing and with evidence to the contrary that you refuse to factor in. That is a problem.

#41 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by truthkeeper 25.03.2016 01:37

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JUST saw this posted on Twitter, where it is currently making the rounds. The passage in question starts up at about the 4:00 minute mark. Note that the date of the video is March 8th...over two weeks ago.

Just who is this "Cruz supporter?" It appears she works for his campaign as she and Cavuto make this reference. She certainly had quite a commentary on Melania Trump posing nude, being a foreigner, etc.

My take is that she is making it very plain that they will be throwing the kitchen sink at Melania because, after all, "it speaks to character."

#42 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by algernonpj 25.03.2016 14:34

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #39
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #38
Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #26
IMO Cruz needs to disavow the ad, PERIOD.

It was a nasty business from which he did benefit whether he had knowledge or not. Therefore it would behoove him to issue a disavowal since people are currently real big on that, at least when it comes to Trump.

He did apologize for over-zealous staffers in the Carson matter.

So why not one strong statement now, which could possibly put the whole thing to bed?

Of course as both Carson and Trump noted the apology was a day late and who knows how many votes short. Look at the timing of various tweets in the link I posted



And, what exactly would Cruz be apologizing for in this case? That an anti-Trumpster, who doesn't like Cruz either, wanted people to vote for Cruz over Trump and ran a disgusting ad? What part of that is Cruz apologizing for? Running against the Donald?

Assuming 'this case' means 'The nude Melania pic affair', this is an interesting train of thought

Cruz ought to be disavowing the content of the ad.

In stead of just stating he had nothing to do with the ad and found the ad completely inappropriate Cruz chose to get into it with Trump via twitter.

#43 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by Sanguine 25.03.2016 14:46

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #42
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #39
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #38
Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #26
IMO Cruz needs to disavow the ad, PERIOD.

It was a nasty business from which he did benefit whether he had knowledge or not. Therefore it would behoove him to issue a disavowal since people are currently real big on that, at least when it comes to Trump.

He did apologize for over-zealous staffers in the Carson matter.

So why not one strong statement now, which could possibly put the whole thing to bed?

Of course as both Carson and Trump noted the apology was a day late and who knows how many votes short. Look at the timing of various tweets in the link I posted



And, what exactly would Cruz be apologizing for in this case? That an anti-Trumpster, who doesn't like Cruz either, wanted people to vote for Cruz over Trump and ran a disgusting ad? What part of that is Cruz apologizing for? Running against the Donald?

Assuming 'this case' means 'The nude Melania pic affair', this is an interesting train of thought

Cruz ought to be disavowing the content of the ad.

In stead of just stating he had nothing to do with the ad and found the ad completely inappropriate Cruz chose to get into it with Trump via twitter.





Are you freaking serious? Trump is the one who started the Twitter crap with an entirely inappropriate slur on Heidi Cruz! And, you manage to blame the whole thing on Cruz? Good grief, how can you contort the facts like this? I've known you for a long time (in an anonymous internet kind of way of course) and I am shocked. How on earth can you do this?

#44 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by algernonpj 25.03.2016 14:47

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #36
Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #33
Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #32
Without reproducing the photo here, the ad ITSELF says "or you could vote for Ted Cruz." Therefore Cruz received a benefit from the ad.


"Failed political consultant Liz Mair is crowd funding a political attack on billionaire presidential candidate Donald Trump and she’s getting noticed."


We know that Donald Trump is not funding her and Ted Cruz is benefiting from her efforts.

That does not preclude a Cruz apology, disavowing the ad. We wait in vain.


Come on, TM, I know you value truth. Cruz is benefiting from Rubio dropping out - should he apologize for that? That's just silly.

Answering an earlier question - Mair doesn't like Cruz either. Just less so than Trump.


I agree apologizing for Rubio dropping out is silly; and so is the thought that TM would expect it. However disavowing the Melania ad isn't silly.

#45 RE: Nude Melania Pic Sparks Trump Attack on Heidi Cruz by algernonpj 25.03.2016 15:03

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #43
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #42
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #39
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #38
Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #26
IMO Cruz needs to disavow the ad, PERIOD.

It was a nasty business from which he did benefit whether he had knowledge or not. Therefore it would behoove him to issue a disavowal since people are currently real big on that, at least when it comes to Trump.

He did apologize for over-zealous staffers in the Carson matter.

So why not one strong statement now, which could possibly put the whole thing to bed?

Of course as both Carson and Trump noted the apology was a day late and who knows how many votes short. Look at the timing of various tweets in the link I posted



And, what exactly would Cruz be apologizing for in this case? That an anti-Trumpster, who doesn't like Cruz either, wanted people to vote for Cruz over Trump and ran a disgusting ad? What part of that is Cruz apologizing for? Running against the Donald?

Assuming 'this case' means 'The nude Melania pic affair', this is an interesting train of thought

Cruz ought to be disavowing the content of the ad.

In stead of just stating he had nothing to do with the ad and found the ad completely inappropriate Cruz chose to get into it with Trump via twitter.


Are you freaking serious? Trump is the one who started the Twitter crap with an entirely inappropriate slur on Heidi Cruz! And, you manage to blame the whole thing on Cruz? Good grief, how can you contort the facts like this? I've known you for a long time (in an anonymous internet kind of way of course) and I am shocked. How on earth can you do this?


Yes I'm freaking serious. I did not blame the ENTIRE thing on Cruz.

Trump didn't start the crap. The SuperPAC that posted the scurrilous ad did. Trump reacted as one would expect - defending his wife with NYC attitude. Did you expect Trump to roll over when his wife was attacked ?

Cruz proceeded to add fuel to the fire instead of disavowing the attack on Melania as inappropriate.

From there thing just got 'better and better' on both sides.

This is the actual sequence of events which is something separate from who I support in the primaries.

Between Trump and Cruz there are no clean hands in this.

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