#1 Understanding the Caliphate Curve [Greenfild on 'moderate' Islam] by algernonpj 25.01.2016 10:08

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Tuesday, January 19, 2016
Understanding the Caliphate Curve
Posted by Daniel Greenfield

A report by the Tony Blair Faith Foundation found that the Syrian rebels were mostly Islamic Jihadists and that even if ISIS were defeated there were 15 other groups sharing its worldview that were ready to take its place.

And that’s just in Syria.

The official ISIS story, the one that we read in the newspapers, watch on television and hear on the radio, is that it’s a unique group whose brand of extremism is so extreme that there is no comparing it to anything else. ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. Or with anything else. It’s a complete aberration.

Except for the 15 other Jihadist groups ready to step into its shoes in just one country.

Islamic Supremacist organizations like ISIS can be graded on the “Caliphate curve”. The Caliphate curve is based on how quickly an Islamic organization wants to achieve the Caliphate. What we describe as “extreme” or “moderate” is really the speed at which an Islamic group seeks to recreate the Caliphate.

ISIS is at the extreme end of the scale, not because it tortures, kills and rapes, but because it implemented the Caliphate immediately. The atrocities for which ISIS has become known are typical of a functioning Caliphate. The execution of Muslims who do not submit to the Caliph, the ethnic cleansing and sexual slavery of non-Muslims are not aberrations. They are normal behavior for a Caliphate.

The last Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, was selling non-Muslim girls as sex slaves after the invention of the telephone. A New York Times report from 1886 documented the sale of girls as young as twelve, one of them with “light hazel eyes, black eyebrows and long yellow hair”. An earlier report from the London Post described Turks, “sending their blacks to market, in order to make room for a newly-purchased white girl”. This behavior is not a temporary aberration, but dates back to Mohammed’s men raping and enslaving non-Muslim women and young girls as a reward for fighting to spread Islam.

The ISIS behaviors that we find so shocking were widely practiced in even the most civilized parts of the Muslim world around the time that the Statue of Liberty was being dedicated in New York City.

To Muslims, the end of slavery is one of the humiliations that they had to endure because of the loss of the Caliphate. Europeans forced an end to the slave trade. The British made the Turks give up their slaves. The United States made the Saudis give up their slaves in the 1960s. (Unofficially they still exist.) When the Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt, its Islamist constitution dropped a ban on slavery.

The Muslim Brotherhood is on the moderate side of the Caliphate curve not because it doesn’t want to bring back the Caliphate, it does, or because it doesn’t want to subjugate non-Muslims, it does, but because it wants to do so gradually over an extended period of time using modern political methods.

But whether you take the long road along the Caliphate curve or the short one it still ends up in the same place. Everyone on the Caliphate curve agrees that the world, including the United States, must be ruled by Muslims under Islamic law and that freedom and equal rights for all must come to an end.

ISIS is just doing right now what the Muslim Brotherhood would take a hundred years to accomplish.

We are not at war with ISIS. We are at war with everyone on the Caliphate curve.
Not because we choose to be, but because like Hitler’s Thousand Year Reich or Communism’s vision of one world under the red flag, the Caliphate is a plan for imposing a totalitarian system on us to deprive us of our rights.

The Nazis and the Communists had a vision for the world. So do the Islamic Supremacists who advocate the restoration of the Caliphate. All three groups occasionally played the victim of our foreign policy, but they were not responding to us, they were trying to bring about their positive vision of an ideal society.

Nazi, Communist and Islamist societies just happen to be living nightmares for the rest of us.

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We are not at war with an organization, but with the idea that Muslims are superior to non-Muslims and are endowed by Allah with the right to rule over them, to rob them, to rape them and enslave them. ISIS is the most naked expression of this idea. But it’s an idea that everyone on the Caliphate curve accepts.

Until we defeat this racist idea, new Islamic groups will constantly keep arising animated by this vision. Wars fueled by supremacist beliefs have historically only ended when the illusion of superiority was destroyed by utterly defeating and humiliating the attackers. It worked with Japan and Nazi Germany.

Our war now will not end until we destroy the supremacist faith in the Caliphate curve.


http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016/01/...hate-curve.html

#2 RE: Understanding the Caliphate Curve [Greenfild on 'moderate' Islam] by Cincinnatus 25.01.2016 13:22

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Our war now will not end until we destroy the supremacist faith in the Caliphate curve.

Ok, then, Mr Greenfield and how exactly do we do that? With the Nazis and the Japanese we had to fight a long war, pound the stuffing out of them, and occupy them for many a year. Communism may (or may not) have collapsed in the Soviet Union, but it is still quite active in China and in America's universities. So...?

#3 RE: Understanding the Caliphate Curve [Greenfild on 'moderate' Islam] by algernonpj 25.01.2016 14:02

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Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #2
Our war now will not end until we destroy the supremacist faith in the Caliphate curve.

Ok, then, Mr Greenfield and how exactly do we do that? With the Nazis and the Japanese we had to fight a long war, pound the stuffing out of them, and occupy them for many a year. Communism may (or may not) have collapsed in the Soviet Union, but it is still quite active in China and in America's universities. So...?


Here's some thoughts:
  • identify the enemy

  • remove political correctness that enables 'stealth Jihad'

  • stop sending $$$ and arms to 'modearte rebels in the ME. It always seems to end up in the hands of jihadis.

  • let various moseim factions duke it out until there is only one standing to deal with

  • stop taking advice on Islam and the ME from The Moslem Brotherhood

  • remove those insame ROE that making our troops easy targets in the ME

  • become energy independent


  • yadda, yadda, yadda

    #4 RE: Understanding the Caliphate Curve [Greenfild on 'moderate' Islam] by PzLdr 25.01.2016 15:16

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    Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #2
    Our war now will not end until we destroy the supremacist faith in the Caliphate curve.

    Ok, then, Mr Greenfield and how exactly do we do that? With the Nazis and the Japanese we had to fight a long war, pound the stuffing out of them, and occupy them for many a year. Communism may (or may not) have collapsed in the Soviet Union, but it is still quite active in China and in America's universities. So...?



    Do it the way the Mongols did it. One arrow at a time. And remember, we fought the Apache for something like 40 years, and ALL the Indian nations for a little less than 400. We've done it before.

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