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#16 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by algernonpj 15.12.2015 19:52

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[quote=Sanguine|p30231]Rush and Glenn Beck had roughly the same opinion.




Cruz has consistently been for increased legal immigration as if supply and demand do not impact the job market. He proposed quintupling H-1B numbers until Trump's immigration plan became popular. Then Cruz released his amended plan for H-1B's
[quote]Suspend the issuance of all H-1B visas for 180 days to complete a comprehensive investigation and audit of pervasive allegations of abuse of the program. New allegations detail appalling abuses of the H-1B visa program – a program meant to create American jobs and spur economic growth. I will suspend the program for 180 days to investigate abuses.


Thanks for that commentary! I get tired of always hearing how 'conservative' Cruz is when he has done stuff like the above that is decidedly NOT conservative. He might be the most conservative of the bunch but he is still very much a new world order politician like many in the GOPe of whom I am fed up with.

Cruz will do what's best for Cruz as proven by the above and the fact that he's running at all when he is not eligible to and he knows it. The average Joe Schmo American may believe citizen at birth and natural born are the same thing but Cruz admitted differently a few years ago until he set his sights on the Oval Office. Then wham bam all of a sudden the two terms are one and the same. By that action he's no more a defender of the Constitution than Bam Bam is.

Carson also has troubles in the immigration camp and the others in the GOP candidates are even worse. We don't have once again a 100% true blue conservative running in ANY of the candidates!

So why not support the guy showing some brass balls against the media, the establishment, the Dems, ISIS, etc. and who just might actually build that dang Wall? And who is actually constitutionally qualified to be running? How's that for novelty?

Love it.

And ...after our sovereignty and jobs are given away and our country is flooded with ‘legal’ third word immigrants who have no clue about traditional American values, what affect will Cruz's ‘conservative values’ have ? None !

#17 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Sanguine 15.12.2015 20:07

Two comments: comparing the "conservatism" of Cruz vs Trump is like comparing the running ability of a gazelle and a fish.

Secondly: I think the H1B visa system needs to be overhauled and cut way, way back. But, it doesn't make sense if this is the hill that you are going to crucify Cruz on. H1B visa abuse? Really? People we've got REAL problems, and this one is way down on the list.

#18 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by algernonpj 15.12.2015 21:04

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #17
Two comments: comparing the "conservatism" of Cruz vs Trump is like comparing the running ability of a gazelle and a fish.

Secondly: I think the H1B visa system needs to be overhauled and cut way, way back. But, it doesn't make sense if this is the hill that you are going to crucify Cruz on. H1B visa abuse? Really? People we've got REAL problems, and this one is way down on the list.


The H-1B issue and legal immigration are a major real problem.

Jeff Sessions Pens 25-Page Roadmap for New Republican Majority

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"“‘Immigration reform’ may be the single most abused phrase in the English language. It has become a legislative honorific almost exclusively reserved for proposals which benefit everyone but actual American citizens,” "

"Instead of competing for special interests’ support, and support from illegal aliens, Sessions said Republicans should compete for support from the hundreds of millions of Americans who have been ignored by career politicians—especially Democrats—in the immigration debate.

“The largest untapped constituency in American politics are the 300 million American citizens who have been completely left out of the immigration debate,” Sessions said. “Speak to that constituency—with clarity and compassion—and change the issue forever.”

"Bureau of Labor Statistics data, he writes, shows that “all net employment gains since the recession have gone to foreign workers while 1.5 million fewer U.S.-born Americans hold jobs today than did then—despite the total population of U.S.-born adults increasing by 11 million over that same time.”"


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...admap-document/


Sessions Handbook for the New Republican Majority:
January 2015

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The facts are stark, and overwhelming.

Recent data from the Census Bureau confirmed that a stunning 3 in 4 Americans with a STEM degree do not hold a job in a STEM field—that’s a pool of more than 11 million Americans with STEM qualifications who lack STEM employment. This is a constantly growing number:

Rutgers Professor Hal Salzman, a top national expert on STEM labor markets, estimates that “U.S. colleges produce twice the number of STEM graduates annually as find jobs in those fields.”

Many of the students, no doubt choosing to pursue STEM degrees in part due to bogus claims of STEM labor shortages, now find themselves with massive amounts of debt and no prospects of a good-paying job.

Salzman goes on to report this shocking fact: “guest workers currently make up two-thirds of all new IT hires”—so even as half of Americans with STEM degrees can’t find STEM work, 2 in 3 new jobs in the information technology field are going to labor imported from abroad


http://www.sessions.senate.gov/public/_c...th-congress.pdf


The Myth of H-1B Job Creation

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While industry lobbyists have to employ dubious and convoluted means to show H-1B creates jobs, it is brutally simple to show that H-1B workers take American jobs. Just ask the folks who trained their H-1B replacements at Disney, Southern California Edison, Toys R Us, Fossil and countless other companies across the nation


http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-myth-of-h-1b-job-creation

FYI requiring training your CHEAP replacement has been a condition of severance since the 90's.

For those under the illusion H-1B visas will not replace them, here's a list of H-1B occupations:
Below is a list of all the Jobs / Occupations that qualify to get issued an H1B visa (they are Not listed in any specific preference or order)

Occupations In Architecture, Engineering, And Surveying
Architectural Occupations,
Aeronautical Engineering Occupations,
Electrical/ Electronics Engineering Occupations,
Civil Engineering Occupations,
Ceramic Engineering Occupations,
Mechanical Engineering Occupations,
Chemical Engineering Occupations,
Mining And Petroleum Engineering Occupations,
Metallurgy And Metallurgical Engineering Occupations,
Industrial Engineering Occupations,
Agricultural Engineering Occupations,
Marine Engineering Occupations,
Nuclear Engineering Occupations,
Drafters,
Surveying/ Cartographic Occupations,

Other Occupations In Architecture, Engineering, And Surveying.

Occupations In Mathematics And Physical Sciences
Occupations In Mathematics,
Occupations In Astronomy,

Occupations In Chemistry,
Occupations In Physics,
Occupations In Geology,
Occupations In Meteorology,
Other Occupations In Mathematics And Physical Sciences

Computer Science & IT, and Telecom Occupations
Occupations In Systems Analysis And Programming,
Occupations In Data Communications And Networks,
Occupations In Computer System User Support,
Occupations In Computer System Technical Support,
Other Computer-Related Occupations

Occupations In Life Sciences
Occupations In Agricultural Sciences,
Occupations In Biological Sciences,
Occupations In Psychology,
Other Occupations In Life Sciences

Occupations In Medicine And Health
Physicians And Surgeons,
Osteopaths,
Dentists,
Veterinarians,
Pharmacists,
Registered Nurses,
Therapists,
Dieticians,
Occupations In Medical And Dental Technology,
Other Occupations In Medicine And Health

Occupations In Education & Research
Occupations In College And University Education,
Occupations In Secondary School Education,
Occupations In Preschool, Primary School, And Kindergarten Education,
Occupations In Education Of Persons With Disabilities,

Home Economists And Farm Advisers,
Occupations In Vocational Education,
Other Occupations In Education

Occupations in Writing and Languages
Writers,
Editors: Publication, Broadcast, And Script,
Other Occupations In Writing

Occupations in Finance and Administrative Specializations
Accountants, Auditors, And Related Occupations,
Budget And Management Systems Analysis Occupations,
Purchasing Management Occupations,
Sales And Distribution Management Occupations,
Advertising Management Occupations,
Public Relations Management Occupations,
Personnel Administration Occupations,
Inspectors And Investigators, Managerial And Public Service,
Other Administrative Occupations

Occupations in Business Management & Administration
Agriculture, Forestry And Fishing Industry Managers And Officials,
Mining Industry Managers And Officials,
Construction Industry Managers And Officials,
Manufacturing Industry Managers And Officials,
Transportation, Communication, And Utilities Industry Managers And Officials,
Wholesale And Retail Trade Managers And Officials,
Finance, Insurance, And Real Estate Managers And Officials
Service Industry Managers And Officials,
Public Administration Managers And Officials,
Miscellaneous Managers And Officials

OTHER Specialty Occupations as listed below
Occupations In Economics,
Occupations In Political Science,
Occupations In History,
Occupations In Sociology,
Occupations In Anthropology,

Other Occupations In Social Sciences,
Librarians,
Archivists,
Museum Curators And Related Occupations,
Other Occupations In Museum, Library, And Archival Sciences,
Lawyers,
Judges,
Other Occupations In Law And Jurisprudence,
Clergy,
Other Occupations In Religion And Theology,
Commercial Artists: Designers And Illustrators, Graphic Arts,
Environmental, Product, And Related Designers,
Other Occupations In Art,
Occupations In Music,

Other Occupations In Entertainment And Recreation,
Occupations In Social And Welfare Work,
Miscellaneous Professional, Technical, And Managerial Occupations, Sales Promotion Occupations,
Fashion Models

http://www.h1base.com/content/h1boccupations


Additional issues with guest workers as well as education visas is lax screening and terrorism, undermining rule of law, replacement of middle class workers, and importing third world values.

#19 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Sanguine 15.12.2015 21:40

We agree that it is a problem..

#20 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by conservgramma 15.12.2015 22:06

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #17
Two comments: comparing the "conservatism" of Cruz vs Trump is like comparing the running ability of a gazelle and a fish.

Secondly: I think the H1B visa system needs to be overhauled and cut way, way back. But, it doesn't make sense if this is the hill that you are going to crucify Cruz on. H1B visa abuse? Really? People we've got REAL problems, and this one is way down on the list.


No the big hill I'm hanging Cruz on is his eligibility. He is not a natural born citizen. And I will continue to speak out on this because if this constitutional qualification don't matter then no other constitutional issues such as the 1A or 2A will mean anything either down the road and we're all screwed.

And frankly after the excellent post from algernon above, the H1B is at the top of the list IMO. These are our jobs and OUR country's economy for pete's sake.

#21 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Sanguine 15.12.2015 22:33

Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #20
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #17
Two comments: comparing the "conservatism" of Cruz vs Trump is like comparing the running ability of a gazelle and a fish.

Secondly: I think the H1B visa system needs to be overhauled and cut way, way back. But, it doesn't make sense if this is the hill that you are going to crucify Cruz on. H1B visa abuse? Really? People we've got REAL problems, and this one is way down on the list.


No the big hill I'm hanging Cruz on is his eligibility. He is not a natural born citizen. And I will continue to speak out on this because if this constitutional qualification don't matter then no other constitutional issues such as the 1A or 2A will mean anything either down the road and we're all screwed.

And frankly after the excellent post from algernon above, the H1B is at the top of the list IMO. These are our jobs and OUR country's economy for pete's sake.


No, it's too late and I'm just not going to fight that one again.

#22 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by conservgramma 15.12.2015 23:00

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #21
Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #20
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #17
Two comments: comparing the "conservatism" of Cruz vs Trump is like comparing the running ability of a gazelle and a fish.

Secondly: I think the H1B visa system needs to be overhauled and cut way, way back. But, it doesn't make sense if this is the hill that you are going to crucify Cruz on. H1B visa abuse? Really? People we've got REAL problems, and this one is way down on the list.


No the big hill I'm hanging Cruz on is his eligibility. He is not a natural born citizen. And I will continue to speak out on this because if this constitutional qualification don't matter then no other constitutional issues such as the 1A or 2A will mean anything either down the road and we're all screwed.

And frankly after the excellent post from algernon above, the H1B is at the top of the list IMO. These are our jobs and OUR country's economy for pete's sake.


No, it's too late and I'm just not going to fight that one again.


Well I am, and no it's not. I realize a lot of people just want to ignore this issue because a lot of people just don't care about it. I get that. But to me it's a bit like the old story about a camel poking his head in the tent, eventually the whole tent comes down. If it's too late to uphold one section of the Constitution, it will ultimately be too late to uphold any of it.

I'm not ready for that yet. If I were to accept that premise, then why bother to vote conservative at all, or even vote at all? If it's too late to preserve the Constitution, then we should all just bow to the oligarchy and let them rule over us serfs.

#23 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Frank Cannon 16.12.2015 00:50

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #20


No the big hill I'm hanging Cruz on is his eligibility. He is not a natural born citizen.


Sooooo. If Ted isn't a Natural Born Citizen.....can you point to the date he became a citizen after his birth? I am sure there is a fair amount of immigration paperwork floating around if so. An old green card at the very least.

BTW, did you also raise the alarm when McLame ran for President? Under your rubric he wasn't "Constitutional" either.

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-t...l-born-citizen/

#24 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by conservgramma 16.12.2015 10:24

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #23
Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #20


No the big hill I'm hanging Cruz on is his eligibility. He is not a natural born citizen.


Sooooo. If Ted isn't a Natural Born Citizen.....can you point to the date he became a citizen after his birth? I am sure there is a fair amount of immigration paperwork floating around if so. An old green card at the very least.

BTW, did you also raise the alarm when McLame ran for President? Under your rubric he wasn't "Constitutional" either.

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-t...l-born-citizen/



We've been through this before Frank, citizen at birth does not equal natural born. Natural born requires birth in U.S. jurisdiction of TWO citizen parents. Cruz's Dad was not a citizen and his birth place was Canada, not U.S. jurisdiction. McCain was born of not one but TWO citizen parents, one of whom was serving in the U.S. military overseas. At the time of his birth (since Carter had not yet given away the Canal zone) Panama was U.S. jurisdiction as well. So I never questioned McCain because of those facts. I question Cruz because he HIMSELF admitted a few years ago he was not natural born. Do a google on You Tube and you'll find it. He also did release his birth certificate showing a birthplace of Canada and then renounced his Canadian citizenship. One cannot have duel citizenship where one citizenship has to be renounced to be natural born. The whole point of of the natural born clause was to prohibit ANY foreign influences from the executive branch of our government.

Other attorneys as I've pointed out already disagree with your Harvard Law review as does previous SCOTUS rulings. Harvard Law is not SCOTUS. Their review takes a 1953 U.S. Code referring to citizenship and equates it with natural born twisting the definition as laid down by the Founders. I'm sticking with the definition handed down by John Jay along with the earlier SCOTUS rulings ( Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) [“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners”]; U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 679-80 (1898) (same).

Recent cases such peeps like Harvard Law like to bring out such as Ankeny v. Daniels; Tisdale v. Obama; Fair v. Obama (appeal pending); Farrar v. Obama; Galasso v. Obama; Jackson v. Obama; Paige v. Obama (appeal pending) - all found that mere birth in the United States is generally sufficient to make one a “natural born Citizen;” but none of these Obama cases are decisions of our U.S. Supreme Court. They are all lower court rulings, and Cruz doesn't even have the privilege of birth within U.S. jurisdiction.

We've been around and around on this already. I'm obviously not going to change your opinion and you most definitely are not going to change mine - so we are at an impasse on this one.

You go ahead and vote for Cruz if that satisfies your conscience.

I can't.

#25 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by conservgramma 16.12.2015 10:40

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P.S. - Should Cruz win the nomination one Democrat has already said he plans to file a lawsuit against his eligibility in Florida. Dem to Challenge Canadian Born Cruz

I expect there will be more as Dems are a hypocritical bunch. Remember the very first birther was Hillary. Just because the GOP caved regarding Obama doesn't mean the Dems will. Trust me on this. If Cruz wins they will go after him on his eligibility.

#26 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by truthkeeper 16.12.2015 11:20

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Conservgramma, you can go to the bank on that. Didn't Alan Grayson of Florida say he already has the lawsuit prepared to file?

#27 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by conservgramma 16.12.2015 11:38

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Conservgramma, you can go to the bank on that. Didn't Alan Grayson of Florida say he already has the lawsuit prepared to file?


Yep, he did. It may or may not go anywhere, who knows, but I bet he goes through with it. And with the courts stacked against conservatives the way they are and always, ALWAYS (it seems like) looking after the liberal agenda this will have legs unlike Obama's challenges. Liberals cannot afford to let Cruz anywhere near the white house and they'll go after him with everything they've got.

Unfortunately since Cruz isn't qualified to be running he's given them red meat and they're just sitting back waiting to act.

#28 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Frank Cannon 16.12.2015 11:59

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #25
P.S. - Should Cruz win the nomination one Democrat has already said he plans to file a lawsuit against his eligibility in Florida. Dem to Challenge Canadian Born Cruz

I expect there will be more as Dems are a hypocritical bunch. Remember the very first birther was Hillary. Just because the GOP caved regarding Obama doesn't mean the Dems will. Trust me on this. If Cruz wins they will go after him on his eligibility.


Oh. Wife beating Grayson is where you find inspiration on this and not what has been accepted as Natural Born all through US history. BTW, Grayson doesn't even believe Cruz is a US citizen and that is the basis of his litigation. You on board with that as well?

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In an interview with Fox News radio’s Alan Colmes, U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat, said he plans to file suit against Cruz’s eligibility if he wins the GOP nomination.

“He’s technically not even an American,” Grayson said.

#29 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by conservgramma 16.12.2015 12:01

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #28
Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #25
P.S. - Should Cruz win the nomination one Democrat has already said he plans to file a lawsuit against his eligibility in Florida. Dem to Challenge Canadian Born Cruz

I expect there will be more as Dems are a hypocritical bunch. Remember the very first birther was Hillary. Just because the GOP caved regarding Obama doesn't mean the Dems will. Trust me on this. If Cruz wins they will go after him on his eligibility.


Oh. Wife beating Grayson is where you find inspiration on this and not what has been accepted as Natural Born all through US history. BTW, Grayson doesn't even believe Cruz is a US citizen and that is the basis of his litigation. You on board with that as well?

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In an interview with Fox News radio’s Alan Colmes, U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat, said he plans to file suit against Cruz’s eligibility if he wins the GOP nomination.

“He’s technically not even an American,” Grayson said.



Now you're digging Frank and starting to act like a media shill. I never said I found inspiration in Grayson so stop putting words in my mouth.

All I said was one guy was planning to file - and he is. Read the link.

Agree to disagree and move on.

#30 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by truthkeeper 16.12.2015 12:47

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Grayson is an idiot. I am just saying that he's got his lawsuit all prepared and the Media will happily join in on the festivities.

Of course they will attack any V.P. prospect, but they've already started the Palin treatment on Cruz.

Be prepared to start hearing "Green Eggs and Ham" clips 24/7.

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