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#1 Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Rufus T Firefly 15.12.2015 10:35

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I don't know if anyone here listens to Mark Levin. He's been relatively positive about Trump up to now (though not officially endorsing him). For those who might not be aware, Levin posts podcasts of his daily programs (sans commercials - nice!) at the following link:

http://www.marklevinshow.com/2013/01/28/podcasts/

Here is the summary from Levin's website of last night's (Monday's) podcast:

Donald Trump really screwed up over the weekend. He attacked Justice Antonin Scalia, defended ethanol and sided with the Republican establishment while bashing Ted Cruz. Running a populist campaign by abandoning conservative principles is nothing more than liberalism. If Trump is a conservative, he should not be attacking other conservatives from the left. This election isn't about any individual candidate, it's about getting the most conservative candidate to save the republic. Also, immigration officials weren't allowed to check the social media of CA. terrorist Tashfeen Malik during the visa process over fear of a civil liberty backlash. What civil liberties does this violate? Somebody needs to be punished for this.

POSTER COMMENT: I've stated that I'll vote for Trump if he's on my state's ballot - and I stand by that. The Ruling Party needs to be knocked down a peg - and Trump (with the possible exception of Cruz) is the only one so far doing that.

But with that stated, I agree with Levin that Donald Trump shouldn't be parroting establishmedia talking points re: Cruz and Scalia.

What do Y'all think?

#2 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Sanguine 15.12.2015 12:59

Rush and Glenn Beck had roughly the same opinion.

#3 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Rufus T Firefly 15.12.2015 14:07

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #2
Rush and Glenn Beck had roughly the same opinion.

So just curious - do you agree with Mark Levin and the others?

I'm more of a pessimist than they are. They (talk show hosts/pundits, etc) hold out hope the system is repairable. I don't.

We've become a nation who worships mortals - and it's not a new phenomenon. This is contrary to what the Founders envisioned. (Those men had a healthy fear of mortals - who more often than not let the "worship" go to their heads. Then they became tyrants.)

So beginning with Lincoln, and running up through FDR, JFK, LBJ, Xlinton and now the boy emperor, we're lost our constitutional moorings with it's system of checks and balances.

I support Trump - not because I think he can "fix" the system; in fact, he hastens its downfall.

At this point, that's the only hope we have left.

#4 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Sanguine 15.12.2015 14:21

Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #3
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #2
Rush and Glenn Beck had roughly the same opinion.

So just curious - do you agree with Mark Levin and the others?

I'm more of a pessimist than they are. They (talk show hosts/pundits, etc) hold out hope the system is repairable. I don't.

We've become a nation who worships mortals - and it's not a new phenomenon. This is contrary to what the Founders envisioned. (Those men had a healthy fear of mortals - who more often than not let the "worship" go to their heads. Then they became tyrants.)

So beginning with Lincoln, and running up through FDR, JFK, LBJ, Xlinton and now the boy emperor, we're lost our constitutional moorings with it's system of checks and balances.

I support Trump - not because I think he can "fix" the system; in fact, he hastens its downfall.

At this point, that's the only hope we have left.




It doesn't seem that anything Trump does dents his popularity. And, that does make me very uncomfortable. It does appear to be worshipful. As I've stated before, I am appreciative of Trump in that he has blown up the media narrative and made the GOPe extremely nervous at the same time. Kudos.

Do I want Trump to be our candidate? Hell no. Let's try a conservative for a change. Just might be able to lead us to a change in direction.

#5 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by ThirstyMan 15.12.2015 14:23

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #2
Rush and Glenn Beck had roughly the same opinion.


naturally we're/I'm disappointed. Rush's take was that his criticism of Cruz indicated he's not a true conservative.

maybe, just maybe, The Donald is tacking left to increase the base?

He has sent up a flare that he doesn't operationally think like, "My way or the highway".

#6 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by algernonpj 15.12.2015 15:33

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anyone got a link to what Trump actually said - text or video ?

#7 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by algernonpj 15.12.2015 16:41

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Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #3
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #2
Rush and Glenn Beck had roughly the same opinion.

So just curious - do you agree with Mark Levin and the others?

I'm more of a pessimist than they are. They (talk show hosts/pundits, etc) hold out hope the system is repairable. I don't.

We've become a nation who worships mortals - and it's not a new phenomenon. This is contrary to what the Founders envisioned. (Those men had a healthy fear of mortals - who more often than not let the "worship" go to their heads. Then they became tyrants.)

So beginning with Lincoln, and running up through FDR, JFK, LBJ, Xlinton and now the boy emperor, we're lost our constitutional moorings with it's system of checks and balances.

I support Trump - not because I think he can "fix" the system; in fact, he hastens its downfall.

At this point, that's the only hope we have left
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Ditto A little more duct tape and chewing gum isn't going to fix the system.

Heavens to Betsy, Levin and Limbaugh need to unbunch their panties.

I have never been under the illusion that Trump is a 'conservative' as I define one. However he is the only one the chutzpah to do such outrageous things such as call out the mis-nomered 'Free Trade' as detrimental to US citizens, write up a plan based upon the premise immigration ought to benefit Americans not global corporate and finance, to state that the PTB obviously do not know how to accurately screen Moslem immigrants and as a security measure we ought to halt Moslem immigration until we get our act together.

No one else running has dared stated the very un-PC "put Americans first".

Cruz OTH had no problem giving Obama TPA power. In our current climate that virtually guarantees the passage of TPP which will remove any vestige of US national sovereignty and any vestige of a job market for Americans.

Cruz has consistently been for increased legal immigration as if supply and demand do not impact the job market. He proposed quintupling H-1B numbers until Trump's immigration plan became popular. Then Cruz released his amended plan for H-1B's

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Suspend the issuance of all H-1B visas for 180 days to complete a comprehensive investigation and audit of pervasive allegations of abuse of the program. New allegations detail appalling abuses of the H-1B visa program – a program meant to create American jobs and spur economic growth. I will suspend the program for 180 days to investigate abuses.

Halt any increases in legal immigration so long as American unemployment remains unacceptably high. The purpose of legal immigration should be to grow the economy, not to displace American workers. Under no circumstances should legal immigration levels be adjusted upwards so long as work-force participation rates remain below historical averages.


This is very cleverly crafted to disguise the fact that Cruz is proposing a dog and pony hearing (maybe Trey Gowdy can waggle his finger at Zero) after which there will be no change in current levels of displacement of Americans by foreign nationals unless some nebulous metrics are met. .

#8 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by truthkeeper 15.12.2015 17:01

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I don't really think he "attacked" Scalia, although I wouldn't have said what he said. IMO it wasn't that bad.

I think the only reason he went after Cruz is because he's inching upward. He systematically mows them down as they get in the line of fire. Shoots first, asks questions later. It's his style. If I were him and going after Cruz I would have brought up donors, immigration, and TPP/TPA. He has vulnerabilities in those areas so the criticisms would have been legit.

Now having said all that, I'm still all in for Trump. Reasons? WALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALL.........

#9 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Rufus T Firefly 15.12.2015 19:14

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #4

Do I want Trump to be our candidate? Hell no. Let's try a conservative for a change. Just might be able to lead us to a change in direction.



Of the ones that are still plausible (Trump, Cruz, Rubio), the only one I would consider to have ANY conservative credentials is Cruz - and even he (according to some) has some "issues" - chiefly pertaining to immigration.

Also - as a sidenote: Cruz is hated by millenials. My daughter (29 years old) goes absolutely ballistic at the mere mention of his name. Her husband - though not quite as adamant in his hatred, still would never vote for him. And (according to the two of them) this opinion of Cruz is shared by most millenials. I'm not sure what he's done (save having the "R" after his name) to earn their hatred, but there you go.

#10 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Rufus T Firefly 15.12.2015 19:17

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #5
naturally we're/I'm disappointed. Rush's take was that his criticism of Cruz indicated he's not a true conservative.



I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm under no illusion that Trump is a conservative. But by the same token, I don't think he's a liberal, either.

The best description I've heard (from a local radio talk show host):

Trump is a "Trumpian"

#11 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Rufus T Firefly 15.12.2015 19:22

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Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #6
anyone got a link to what Trump actually said - text or video ?

The link I posted in the first post in the thread will take you to Levin's podcast page. From there, if you go to the show from last night (12/14), you'll hear Trump's interview where he talked about both Cruz and Scalia.

#12 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by Rufus T Firefly 15.12.2015 19:57

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Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #8
I don't really think he "attacked" Scalia, although I wouldn't have said what he said. IMO it wasn't that bad.

I think the only reason he went after Cruz is because he's inching upward. He systematically mows them down as they get in the line of fire. Shoots first, asks questions later. It's his style. If I were him and going after Cruz I would have brought up donors, immigration, and TPP/TPA. He has vulnerabilities in those areas so the criticisms would have been legit.

Now having said all that, I'm still all in for Trump. Reasons? WALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALLWALL.........

I think the frustration many of the talk show hosts / pundits have with Trump is his unpredictability.

His comments re: Scalia are a good example. Limbaugh or Levin would probably have advised Trump (if they were asked to) to not "go there" if asked a question like that. Scalia is - after all - a conservative "legend" - an icon. He's one of the few republican nominated SCOTUS justices to have "not grown" (i.e. become more liberal) while on the Court. (Thomas being perhaps the only other one). They would have advised him to not needlessly taunt conservatives.

But Trump - true to form - does not follow "the script." Like I said - he's a "Trumpian"

Finally, Limbaugh likes to say he ignored all the conventional wisdom when he began doing his talk show. He did it his own way. And it's obviously been a success.

Trump's just doing the same thing in the political world. So far, it's worked.

#13 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by algernonpj 15.12.2015 20:13

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Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #11
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #6
anyone got a link to what Trump actually said - text or video ?

The link I posted in the first post in the thread will take you to Levin's podcast page. From there, if you go to the show from last night (12/14), you'll hear Trump's interview where he talked about both Cruz and Scalia.


Thanks I found it.

#14 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by conservgramma 15.12.2015 20:39

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Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #7
Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #3
[quote=Sanguine|p30231]Rush and Glenn Beck had roughly the same opinion.




Cruz has consistently been for increased legal immigration as if supply and demand do not impact the job market. He proposed quintupling H-1B numbers until Trump's immigration plan became popular. Then Cruz released his amended plan for H-1B's
[quote]Suspend the issuance of all H-1B visas for 180 days to complete a comprehensive investigation and audit of pervasive allegations of abuse of the program. New allegations detail appalling abuses of the H-1B visa program – a program meant to create American jobs and spur economic growth. I will suspend the program for 180 days to investigate abuses.




Thanks for that commentary! I get tired of always hearing how 'conservative' Cruz is when he has done stuff like the above that is decidedly NOT conservative. He might be the most conservative of the bunch but he is still very much a new world order politician like many in the GOPe of whom I am fed up with.

Cruz will do what's best for Cruz as proven by the above and the fact that he's running at all when he is not eligible to and he knows it. The average Joe Schmo American may believe citizen at birth and natural born are the same thing but Cruz admitted differently a few years ago until he set his sights on the Oval Office. Then wham bam all of a sudden the two terms are one and the same. By that action he's no more a defender of the Constitution than Bam Bam is.

Carson also has troubles in the immigration camp and the others in the GOP candidates are even worse. We don't have once again a 100% true blue conservative running in ANY of the candidates!

So why not support the guy showing some brass balls against the media, the establishment, the Dems, ISIS, etc. and who just might actually build that dang Wall? And who is actually constitutionally qualified to be running? How's that for novelty?

#15 RE: Donald Trump Really Screwed Up Over The Weekend: Mark Levin by algernonpj 15.12.2015 20:42

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I think the frustration many of the talk show hosts / pundits have with Trump is his unpredictability.

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But Trump - true to form - does not follow "the script." Like I said - he's a "Trumpian"


Good points.

I had not considered that to be the source of their frustration. For me it is blatantly obvious that a major part of trump's appeal is that he is not a politician and not scripted.

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