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#1 Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Frank Cannon 22.02.2014 00:30

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/...iev-For-Kharkiv

I love the smell of a good uprising against oppression in the morning. I hope this Soviet shill gets his ass handed to him somewhere down the line.....

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Ukranian President Viktor Yanukovych has reportedly fled Kiev for Kharkiv amid "[the loss] of most of his power base following the bloodiest day in a 72-hour period in Ukraine."

According to InterpreterMag.com, he announced "early elections" prior to fleeing, although he did not "[specify] when they might be held."

Tweets coming out of Ukraine on February 21 described the protests that led up to to Yanukovych's departure as "the biggest demo in modern history."

While in Kharkiv, Yanukovych is expected to "take part in a Congress of the 'Ukranian Front.'" The Congress is expected to reflect the chaos in the Ukraine, which will contribute to the idea that "it is politically necessary for the southeast to become a separate entity."

There are "17 buses carrying activists from Right Sector toward Kharkiv," and Yanukovych is expected to "make [a] statement about [a] split of Ukraine."



BTW, screw you Putin. Your puppet was just sent fleeing.

#2 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by ThirstyMan 22.02.2014 00:54

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This uprising has been way more successful than is being let on. The protestors have taken something like 60 soldiers captive? and almost an equal number of the dead were soldiers. That's not very impressive for an army trying to quell an uprising.

#3 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by PzLdr 22.02.2014 09:05

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Just remember Georgia and Ossetia. Putin's tanks are a lot closer to Ukraine than ours are. And he [unlike the Vacationer in Chief] has the balls to use them. I imagine the eastern [pro-Russian] portion of Ukraine will secede, set up a government, and be recognized immediately by Mama Bear.

#4 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by ThirstyMan 22.02.2014 10:14

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Quote: PzLdr wrote in post #3
Just remember Georgia and Ossetia. Putin's tanks are a lot closer to Ukraine than ours are. And he [unlike the Vacationer in Chief] has the balls to use them. I imagine the eastern [pro-Russian] portion of Ukraine will secede, set up a government, and be recognized immediately by Mama Bear.


But don't forget PzLdr, we have the power to object in the strongest of terms to any aggression that Putin may initiate.

#5 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Cincinnatus 22.02.2014 14:29

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But don't forget PzLdr, we have the power to object in the strongest of terms to any aggression that Putin may initiate.

#6 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Rev 22.02.2014 22:27

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Let' send in Secretary of State and war hero John Kerry.

He'll straighten out this entire mess...



"Oh, no! Hold on now!"

#7 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Frank Cannon 22.02.2014 22:38

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Quote: Rev wrote in post #6
Let' send in Secretary of State and war hero John Kerry.

He'll straighten out this entire mess...



"Oh, no! Hold on now!"



His solution to the Ukraine will be to limit CO2 gasses through a tax and credit system.

#8 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by ThirstyMan 23.02.2014 11:45

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I think John Kerry's strategy for world diplomacy is: stand tall and look good.

He thinks if he shows up looking good and standing tall the world leaders will bow at his feet.

What a joke!

#9 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Cincinnatus 23.02.2014 16:29

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I am going to take a contrarian view here and offer my support to Putin and the Russians.

Why, you ask? First of all it is in Ukraine's best interest, but I will get to that in a moment. My primary concern is with the beating and bad publicity Putin is getting in the American press. Over the years I have noted that whenever our MSM praises anything or anyone, that thing or person is a Liberal or fits the Liberal agenda. Conversely when they attack someone, or begin to present a negative picture of something or someone, it usually means that person or thing is not Liberal approved. There are a host of examples of this, the latest being how the MSM is treating Christie and so-called Bridgegate compared to Obama/Hillary Benghazi. The former is on the news constantly, the latter spiked.

It would appear, and I do mean appear, the Obama admin opposes Putin and Russian influence in Ukraine. Do you really need any more proof that Ukraine joining with the EU is not in our best interests? In addition, John McCain has been over there publically supporting the demonstrators. Just as with Obama his support of anything causes me to worry.

As to what is best for Ukraine, Pat Buchanan has written his usual good analysis of what is going on, and he notes:

Second, high among the reasons Yanukovych chose Russia's offer to join its custom union over the EU is that Putin put a better deal on the table.

Moscow put up $15 billion in loans and cut-rate oil and gas. The EU offered some piddling loans and credits, plus a demand for reforms in the Ukrainian economy monitored by the IMF, but no commitment to full membership in the EU.


In the same article he points out Yanukovych has made a number of attempts to bring about a peaceful settlement, only to be turned down by the opposition. Yanukovych is no tyrant no matter how he is portrayed in the press (and there they are again).

Something is going on over there which might not result in an outcome favorable to the US. Given the forces that support the dissidents in the West, I believe that is the likely conclusion to the matter.

http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchan...t-ours-n1798218

#10 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by algernonpj 23.02.2014 18:08

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@Cincinnatus

Thank you for the post. Buchanan presents some interesting information that I hadn't seen. I've marked the article for a re-read and mulling over.

If you haven't seen it, here's Paul Craig Roberts analysis:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/...-confrontation/

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UPDATE:
Reading the collection of foreign news dispatches provided by Richard Rozoff about the situation in Ukraine http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37700.htm reminded me of histories about how the pointless and destructive First World War began. In their blind desire to overthrow the democratically elected government of Ukraine and impose an EU puppet state in its place, the American, British, and French governments are lying through their teeth and provoking a situation that is headed toward armed conflict.

#11 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Frank Cannon 23.02.2014 19:40

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Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #9
I am going to take a contrarian view here and offer my support to Putin and the Russians.

Why, you ask? First of all it is in Ukraine's best interest, but I will get to that in a moment. My primary concern is with the beating and bad publicity Putin is getting in the American press. Over the years I have noted that whenever our MSM praises anything or anyone, that thing or person is a Liberal or fits the Liberal agenda. Conversely when they attack someone, or begin to present a negative picture of something or someone, it usually means that person or thing is not Liberal approved. There are a host of examples of this, the latest being how the MSM is treating Christie and so-called Bridgegate compared to Obama/Hillary Benghazi. The former is on the news constantly, the latter spiked.

It would appear, and I do mean appear, the Obama admin opposes Putin and Russian influence in Ukraine. Do you really need any more proof that Ukraine joining with the EU is not in our best interests? In addition, John McCain has been over there publically supporting the demonstrators. Just as with Obama his support of anything causes me to worry.

As to what is best for Ukraine, Pat Buchanan has written his usual good analysis of what is going on, and he notes:

Second, high among the reasons Yanukovych chose Russia's offer to join its custom union over the EU is that Putin put a better deal on the table.

Moscow put up $15 billion in loans and cut-rate oil and gas. The EU offered some piddling loans and credits, plus a demand for reforms in the Ukrainian economy monitored by the IMF, but no commitment to full membership in the EU.


In the same article he points out Yanukovych has made a number of attempts to bring about a peaceful settlement, only to be turned down by the opposition. Yanukovych is no tyrant no matter how he is portrayed in the press (and there they are again).

Something is going on over there which might not result in an outcome favorable to the US. Given the forces that support the dissidents in the West, I believe that is the likely conclusion to the matter.

http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchan...t-ours-n1798218


You can throw this out there like Pat tries to but you are wrong. Putin is a thug. He is running and Oligarchy that rivals none. The only real reason that Putin put that sweet a deal on the table is that all of the energy lines that run to Europe run through the Ukraine.



Without the easy flow of oil to Europe, Putin doesn't have the money to run his dictatorship. He won't last long under that situation. Riots will start in short order in Moscow. Secondly, Yanukovych was a POS. The man never had a job that payed more than $2000 a month yet he had a $75 million dollar mansion loaded to the gills with gold, cars, peacocks and all the other shit ones accumulates being bought and sold by the Russians. He was so corrupt the Parliament went against him.



Both the EU and the Soviets blow, but since the Ukraines already went the Soviet route a couple years back, it is easy to see why they want no part of being in the fold with an ex KGB thug who routinely throws dissidents in jail and stifles dissent with an iron fist.

#12 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Cincinnatus 23.02.2014 23:53

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Frank, I never said either Putin or Yanukovych was a candidate for sainthood. Seriously, who in that area of the world really is? But what I am saying is that when I look at those who support the rebellion and I a distinct feeling of discomfort because that very same group has never shown much commitment to the well being of the US (Obama included, yourself excluded).

#13 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Frank Cannon 24.02.2014 01:08

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I generally disregard, either way, what Zero, Kerry, McLame and the rest of the clown college do anymore. I genuinely believe that Zero and the Regime have no idea what they are doing on Foreign policy because the are focused like a laser on transforming America before he is out of office for good. That is why they show up late to crisis and end up giving mixed and confusing statements. McLame is just looking for any reason to gin up a war. He is a dirty creep.

BTW, if all of the Ukrane was obliterated off the face of the earth, I couldn't care less. What a lot of people forget is that they actually volunteered to work the Nazi death camps back in the day and still celebrate their roll in the extermination of the Jews. They are vile filth. I just see the ambitions of Putin and his new economic confab a dangerous step and see any events that slow or stop it a good thing.

#14 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by algernonpj 24.02.2014 07:29

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Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #12
Frank, I never said either Putin or Yanukovych was a candidate for sainthood. Seriously, who in that area of the world really is? But what I am saying is that when I look at those who support the rebellion and I a distinct feeling of discomfort because that very same group has never shown much commitment to the well being of the US (Obama included, yourself excluded).

@Cincinnatus @Frank Cannon

That's been nagging at me all along which is why I've been reading as much as I can find about the situation.

I don't believe that Obama's foreign policy stems from cluelessness on his part, but from advisers chosen for expertise in how to strip power from the US and spread it about in good communist fashion . I see the ultimate goal as making it easier to bring the US under global governance by selected groups of bureaucrats who will govern every aspect of every one's life for the benefit of global finance and global corporate. (This is very similar to Sharia which IMHO is why Moslems are currently a favored group.)

The more I read, the more it seems that the Ukraine will be run either for the benefit of the Eurocrats or the Soviets.

#15 RE: Ukrainian President Reportedly Flees Kiev for Kharkiv by Frank Cannon 24.02.2014 09:21

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Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #14


I don't believe that Obama's foreign policy stems from cluelessness on his part, but from advisers chosen for expertise in how to strip power from the US and spread it about in good communist fashion .



If that were true, they would have competent people doing it. As it stands, almost everyone involved in over seas policy making is woefully inept. Susan Rice, Hitlary, Kerry. These are all backbench people who got their jobs because they were owed something. The Regime cares so little about these issues. Just look at who they nominated recently for Ambassador slots across the world. Many admitted that they never were to these countries, didn;t know anything about them at all. They just raised a pile of cash for the Regime last election and was owed.

If the Regime was interested in shifting Foreign Policy in a real way, they would put serious people in there that know how to get the job done in the short time they have to do it.

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