#1 Golden age of muscle cars is now by ThirstyMan 09.08.2015 20:33

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Car talk on The Porch???
Well I can't help but notice how pretty the Ford Mustang has become. The Chevy Corvette is a real looker too, [although as a "Porcher" I am terribly biased against Government Motors post Bush and Obama's Volt]. And the horsepower is phenomenal now, not that I'd ever utilize that much h.p. It's surprising/shocking to me. What has come of the energy shortage and the emphasis on fuel economy? Aren't these new owners paying the guzzler tax to own these thirsty birds? Oh well I'll never buy one, but they do cause my head to turn to admire their styling. TM


Mark Phelan, Detroit Free Press, August 9, 2015

DETROIT -- The golden age of the muscle car is now.

Despite strict emissions limits, concerns about climate change and unpredictable gasoline prices that would make a '60s hot rodder pull over and weep, Detroit''s modern performance cars could run rings around the classics. And they're surprisingly affordable when compared with price tags of some exotic cars with similarly high-performing engines.

"Back in the 1960s and '70s, we were looking at 300-, 325-horsepower engines. Now you've got 500-, 600-, even 700-horsepower," said Ken Gross, an automotive historian, museum consultant and journalist. "Never in my lifetime did I think I'd see the day when I could drive a 700-horsepower street car."

Even the least powerful of today's sporty cars — say a base V-6 Chevy Camaro, Mustang or Charger — could probably out-corner most 1960s muscle cars, which were renowned for their ability to accelerate, but not to turn or stop.

"We are living in the Golden Age of the performance car," said Matt Anderson, curator of transportation at the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village. "The cars from the 1960s and '70s were good cars, but basic. Not as fast or sophisticated as today's cars. With new technology, improving fuel economy and reasonable gasoline prices, there's no end in sight."

Fiat Chrysler's Dodge Hellcat engines cram 707 horsepower into the Challenger coupe and Charger sedan.

The 2016 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 produces 650 horsepower and accelerates to 60 m.p.h. in 2.95 seconds. Watching one launch has more in common with the Millennium Falcon shifting into warp drive than the Corvettes Chevrolet sold when muscle cars and "Star Wars" were new.

Ford is about to join the party with the 526-horsepower Shelby GT 350 Mustang, which uses a radically designed V-8 engine of a type usually reserved for six-figure exotic cars from Porsche and Ferrari.

There are less powerful, and less expensive versions of those extreme models of the Challenger, Charger, Corvette and Mustang.

Affordability was part of what drove the first muscle car boom, and it's a major selling point for Detroit's modern performance cars. Prices for the Shelby GT 350 start at $49,170. You can get into a Challenger Hellcat or Charger Hellcat for $58,295 or $62,295, respectively. The Corvette ZO6 goes for $79,400. All prices exclude destination charges.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars...s-now/31366901/

#2 RE: Golden age of muscle cars is now by algernonpj 10.08.2015 16:58

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@ThirstyMan

ooooh ..... those are pretty.

Brings back memories of my first car: A BMW 700, air cooled, modified motor cycle rear engine, with 4 forward. It did 65 in third. hard top, two front bucket seats and a fake back seat.

Somewhat like the picture below but in RED



Ah to be young, dumb, and immortal again.

#3 RE: Golden age of muscle cars is now by ThirstyMan 10.08.2015 17:17

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Red hey? nice! way better than my first car

A few questions...

1. Did it run on premium?

2. Did you buy it or did Daddy?

3. I guessing there wasn't a fourth gear?

4. What do you do with a fake back seat?

#4 RE: Golden age of muscle cars is now by algernonpj 10.08.2015 18:35

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #3
Red hey? nice! way better than my first car

A few questions...

1. Did it run on premium?

2. Did you buy it or did Daddy?

3. I guessing there wasn't a fourth gear?

4. What do you do with a fake back seat?




1. It ran on regular

2. I bought it from a used car lot - cheap. I've been working since I got working papers. At the time BMW was not well know in the US. I didn't realize I had a hoity toity car; it had been a trade in and I suspect the car lot didn't realize it was hoity toity either. I made a deal with a local garage; I ran errands after school for free work (I paid for parts).

3. There was a fourth gear which went way over 65. Since the engine was in the rear, I had to put a sand bag in the trunk in the front so the car didn't lift off the road. It's amazing I never got stopped or lost my license... at least in that car.

4. I put stuff in the fake back sea ... books whatever. Despite my love of speed I was a math, science, techie geek.

It did not have a tachometer so I learned to shift by sound. Shifting required double clutching - there was no synchromesh.

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